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: as they get ready for the second debate, new polls show the first one was fuel for mitt romney. nancy cordes joins us with the latest from both camps. also tonight, hope for malala. the pakistani school girl clinging to life after the taliban shot her at close range. doctors see some promising signs. elizabeth palmer reports from pakistan. lessons learned on the battle fields of iraq and afghanistan are saving lives here at home. bob orr with that story. >> it's awesome. it's so big, too. i can't believe it's going down the street. >> axelrod: and mission improbable-- a space shuttle inching along the streets of los angeles on its final mission. ben tracy takes us along for the ride. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news." >> axelrod: good evening. i'm jim axelrod. in 24 days, americans will elect a president. according to the latest national gallup poll, mitt romney now leads barack obama by two points, 49 to 47, a statistical dead heat. the state of the race has been shaken up in the last 10 days since the first presidential debate. look at florida, ape crucial state fo
. >> reporter: good morning, frank. with polls show mitt romney with momentum republicans are certainly hoping that congressman paul ryan will keep it going while democrats are counting on vice president joe biden to reverse the flow and to stop the loss of support among voters. >>> reporter: congressman paul ryan arrived in kentucky ahead of his first nationally televised debate. the number 2 man on the gop ticket told reporters earlier in florida voters will see a clear choice when he faces off against vice president joe biden. >> this is my first time. what he can't run from is president obama's indefensible record. they are just offering more of the same. >> reporter: ryan will face an opponent who occasionally causes controversy with freewheeling statements but republicans also know vice president biden is a seasoned debater. >> nothing like standing up before 70 million people. >> reporter: usually vice- presidential debates don't greatly impact elections but after president obama's lackluster performance at his first debate with mitt romney, many believe democrats are desperate for vice
. fox news alert a surge in the polling puttings mitt romney on top in the race for the white house. "pew research poll"ing shows since the debate last week, mitt romney leaping ahead of president obama. what a swing that is, 49-45%. keep in mind that is likely voters too. you have to ask a few more questions to figure out whether you're registered voter or likely voter. likely voter polls are more accurate in the end. look who is back here. martha: hello, everybody. bill: celebrating columbus day. martha: i always do. thank goodness he discovered the country. good morning i'm martha maccallum. mitt romney ahead of the president but wiping out the double digit lead with women voters. you remember what that used to be. bill: republican nominee continues to press on this issue, that's the economy. >> can we afford four more years like the last four years? he wants another stimulus. how did that first one work out? and then, he wants to pick winners and losers among companies, or losers in his case and then, of course he wants to hire more government workers. look, all of these things
. >>> mitt romney's poll numbers jumped after last week's presidential debate. a few research survey three weeks ago gave president obama an eight point lead among likely voters. now romney has taken a four- point lead in and you dated survey and is talking -- in an updated survey and is talking about foreign policy issues blasting the president on the middle east. >> it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. it's time to change course in the middle east. that course should be organized around these bedroom principles: america must have confidence in our cause, clarity in our purpose, and resolve in our might. >> the obama campaign is dismissing romney's remarks as sabre rattling aimed at covering up his own foreign blunners. >>> as campaign 2012 heats up, cbssf.com is holding a series of presidential forums online. the candidates answering our questions, today's topic the role of government, big versus small. >>> two men are dead this morning after a gunman opened fire on their car driving through oakland. police received report
, the latest gallup poll shows mitt romney leading president obama 49% to 47%. that spread is within the margin of error, so it's essentially a tie. in ohio, new polling today shows this: pollster a.r.g. has romney up by one point, 48% to 47%. but a cnn poll has the president up by four, 51% to 47%. either way, it's an improvement for romney who was falling well behind in ohio until last week's debate. both candidates were in ohio today where this is the last day to register to vote. our campaign 2012 correspondents are there, too, and we'll go to nancy cordes with the obama campaign. >> reporter: scott, ohio is the grand prize for the obama campaign. they have 120 field offices here, the president has held 17 rallies in this state, more than any other state, but in the debate last week he failed to mention some major issues that are very important to ohio voters, like that auto bailout or shipping jobs overseas. that's a mistake he did not make today here in columbus. >> when you think about ohio, when governor romney said that we should let the auto industry go bankrupt we said no, we're not
romney a boost. pelley:new polling tonight that hows a change in the race. reports from jan crawford and nancy cordes. nd jim axelrod with an executive who's found a formula for succeeding in a tough economy. it's another at-bat for "money ball." >> we essentially have to have players whose performance is toter than what we're paying shem. than wha captioning sponsored by cbs ptios is the "cbs evening news" s"ith scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening, in ohio police are searching for victims of the meningitis outbreak. in tennessee, they're reaching out with a phone bank. today federal officials titimated 13,000 americans received steroid injections that may have been contaminated with a potentially lethal fungus. gas.llnesses have been reported cross nine states. eight people have died. the steroids were used to treat painpain and joint pain. those who received injections in ion knowinal columns are at risk for the brain and spinal infection known as meningitis. dr. jon lapook begins tonight with the state that has the largest number of cases. >> reporter: in tennessee, public healt
] >> president obama wraps up his cash grab in california. his latest sesame street swipe at opponent mitt romney as polls tighten. >> judgment day. sandusky could be put away for the rest of his life. the defiant statement released by the convicted child molester coming up. >> doppler radar showing rain just off the coastline. will that affect the bay area? we'll talk about that coming up. >> traffic is cruising along up the nimitz now as you pass the oakland comes. an update on roadwork coming up. >>> good morning. it's tuesday, october 9. i'm michelle griego. hi, everybody. i'm frank mallicoat. time nearly 5:00. we can't say this very often. but good morning, mr. president. president obama waking up here in san francisco this morning. >> but he will be heading straight to the airport to fly to homeowner. cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran is in san francisco right now where the president raised more cash. good morning. >>>
lead in that same poll three weeks ago. romney gained ground in a couple key demographics. the pew poll shows he pulled even with the president among women voters. erasing an 18 point obama lead going into the debate. and the republican nominee is also doing better with younger voters. his popularity with the under 30 crowd jumped 10 percentage points in the days following the debate. romney is capitalizing on his post debate bounce, turning the tables on president's attacks on his foreign policy knowledge. the republican nominee told an audience at the virginia military institute that the president's leadership has been especially lacking in the middle east. >> it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. it's time to change course in the middle east. that course should be organized around these bedrock principles. america must have confidence in our cause. clarity in our purpose, and resolve in our minds. >> the obama campaign is dismissing romney's remarks as quote, saber rattling. aimed at covering up his own foreign blunder
and for good reason. new poll numbers show mitt romney continuing to close the gap. in florida, he now leads the president 51-44. and a new national gallup poll is ahead 49-47. >> reporter: paul ryan tailgated with football fans in ohio. mitt romney rallied supporters. the republican team fanned out across the key battleground state saturday. >> we need ohio. if we get ohio, we're gonna be able to take back america? >> reporter: the stakes are high. no republican has won the white house without a victory in ohio. at a rally in portsmouth, romney told the crowd he sees the enthusiasm going. >> when i'm president, i'm going to help save the american family and get good jobs for every american. >> reporter: voters say the economy is the no. 1 issue in this election. >> i bet on american workers and american ingenuity, and three years later, that is paying off in a big way. >> reporter: president obama argues his decision to bail out the auto industry saved jobs. >> gm is back. ford and chrysler are growing again. together, our auto industry has created nearly a quarter of a million new jobs in
that catapulted mitt romney into the lead in one national poll. cbs 5 political reporter grace lee breaks down the numbers. >> the president's motorcade just passed through here a few minutes ago on market and the mcallister. he looked down reading a document. he is going to the bill graham civic auditorium to raise money and rally his base. if this new national poll is any indication he needs to cause some inspiration among voters because it looks likes he is slipping in the polls. likely voters. that pew research poll that was released this afternoon shows that the president had an 8- point lead before the debate in mid-september. he has dropped significantly and the republican nominee mitt romney is now leading the president by 4 points. clearly the debate last week has given romney a huge bounce in the polls. >> reporter: the presidential candidates are crisscrossing paths in the polls. the republican nominee is fundraising in virginia today. his fourth event in five days in the battleground state feeding off his debate performance he has made ground in two key demographics. among women th
governor romney is gaining ground. the race is now a dead heat. president obama led that same poll by five points before the debate. >> romney is sharpening his attacks on the president and today he'll call for changes in america's foreign policy. jan crawford is covering the romney campaign in lexington, virginia. jan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. romney was one of the president's critics on how he handled libya. subsequently that proved him right. the administration blamed the attacks in benghazi on a movie. romney has some strong words at a speech later this morning here in lexington. and implying some of the president's decisions were made for political reasons. in a major speech on foreign policy romney will attack mr. obama's leadership and set out his strategy, promising i'll affirm that my duty is not to my political prospects but to the security of the nation. romney will challenge the president's handling of the middle east saying it's time to change course. i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more prosperous middle east allied with the united states. i
romney won. just 20% believe mr. obama prevailed. rasmussen dale tracking poll today has the race tied among likely voters. 48% each. in iowa and colorado, the president is hanging tough. in iowa, it's obama 49, romney 47. colorado, obama 49, romney 48. both are dead heats within the margin of error. joining us from washington, democratic strategist marge mcclinton in for juan williams and mary katherine ham. the pugh number, 49-45 surprised me, mary katherine. same with you? >> i was a little surprised at how far it moved. i'm not surprised it's moving in mitt romney's favor. i mean, this was 70 million people watching and the guy who showed up, mitt romney showed up to do that job that night was the best he had ever looked and certainly obama, the worst he ever looked on a stage with someone else, i would say when we have seen him in the situations before. people tuned in those 70 million people thinking they were going to be a colts-packers fight, but they were surprised. i think the amount of that surprise worked in romney's favor. i will point out that the pugh survey is probably
's presidential debate. a new gallup poll of registered voters shows the race is in a dead heat. >> romney is sharpening his attacks on the president. today he'll call for changes in america's foreign policy. janua jan crawford is covering the romney campaign in lexington, virginia. >> reporter: good morning, norah. good morning, charlie. romney was one of the president's earliest critics on how he handle libya. his supporters say they subsequently proved him right. romney's got some tough words for the president here at the virginia military institute. he'll deliver this later this morning. and he's also implying that some of the president's decisions were made for political reasons. >> thank you! >> reporter: in a major speech on foreign policy, romney will attack mr. obama's leadership and set out his strategy, promising, i'll affirm that my duty is not to my political prospects, but to the security of the nation. romney will challenge the president's handling of the middle east, saying it's time to change course. i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more prosperous middle
running neck and neck. a lot of polls showing romney coming up. >> that is right. such a close race how did thecan in the vice-presidential debate come across last thursday. did it have any influence. that was the coffee talk all this week so we put the question to san francisco mayor willy brown and the chairman of the republican party. here it is. >> people are dependant because they don't like bi- partisanship. joe biden was way to partisan, laughing, smearing. that doesn't help. the debate has been about his attitude and all the gasps he made like i didn't vote for it or the lies he told. >> i think joe biden had to demonstrate clearly that he was superior on the knowledge side with reference to international relations. he did so. as a matter of fact mr. reince got smaller and -- ryan got smaller and smaller at the person conducting the interview or being the moderator asked questions. it was clear that joe biden was far superior to paul ryan. >> i may take away in talking to people subsequent to it, it reinforced what you felt going in. if you were inclined to go democratic you
-debate bounce, a bounce that just catapulted mitt romney into the lead in at least one national poll. grace lee breaks down the numbers. >> reporter: the president is examples here at the bill graham in a couple of hours to raise money and to rally his base and if that new national poll that you're talking about is any indication, he really does need to rally the voters because it looks like he is slipping among likely voters. that pew research poll that was released this afternoon shows that the president had an 8- point lead before the debate in mid-september. he has dropped significantly and the republican nominee mitt romney is now leading the president by 4 points. clearly the debate last week has given romney a huge bounce in the polls. and part of the reason why he made a huge increase in two key demographics including women. the president had an 18-point lead before the debate. now the two candidates are dead even among female voters 47 to 47%. and among voters under 30 years of age, romney has gained 10 points in the days following the first debate. now 42% of young voters say they vie
polls say the race is tightening. wednesday's debate gave romney much needed -- >> we're going to win florida and take back the white house. >> reporter: american leadership will return if he's elected is what some had to say. >> i'll take the care and restore the principles. >> reporter: romney is expected to start with a major speech on foreign policy monday. >> tomorrow president obama will attend a campaign fundraiser in san francisco. it's his final berry visit before the election. >>> this week the vice presidentable candidates will have their first meeting. as we saw before, the campaigns are busy preparing the public for what we might see >> reporter: count down to the presidential debate has begin. the candidates are preparing to go head to head on the heels of last week's presidential debate >> i think paul will do a great job and biden is great at this stuff. >> reporter: after obama's poor showing, many are hoping biden will pull this out. >> i'm hopeful that mr. ryan will tell the truth
: after several heated exchanges ryan said romney's performance last week is motivating the vice president. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. >> reporter: as for who won it depends who you ask. instant polls taken right after the debate are mixed. in a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters 50% thought the vice president won. 31% sided for ryan and 19% called it a tie. not surprisingly both sides claimed victory. mitt romney's campaign said biden seemed off balance and strange. the president's team said the debate exposed the risk of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the candidatesalso disagreed over foreign policy. congressman ryan pointing to the death of four americans in libya as an indication of weakness abroad while biden said romney's campaign talks first before they know what the facts are. reporting live in danville, i'm randall pinkston. >>> that cbs news poll found the overall impressions of both vice presidential candidate improved after the debate. 55% think biden is somebody they can relate to. 48% think ryan is. both candidates on how uncommitted
in a crucial swing state of florida. >> reporter: with one month until election day, mitt romney is focusing on florida. the romney campaign says 12,000 people came out for his rally sunday. >> we're going to win florida and take back the white house. >> national polls show the race for the white house is tightening. analysts say wednesday's debate gave romney much needed momentum. the republican nominee is criticizing president obama's performance. >>> now, days later we're hearing his excuses and next january we'll be watching him leave the white house for the last time. >> on face the nation, obama advisor argued romney misrepresented his policies at the first of the debate. >> he delivered a very good performance. it was completely unrooted in fact and the positions he's taken before. >> are you saying governor romney lied? >> yeah. i think he was dishonest. absolutely. >> obama campaign isn't give specifics that he may make for round 2. >> he'll look at that tape and he'll make the adjustments that he thinks are necessary. >> today, the president is in california focusing on raising mor
didn't lose any ground after mitt romney has been gaining in the polls. he too delivered. >> i will be very specific. >> reporter: vice president joe biden wasted no time challenging congressman paul ryan's take on foreign policy. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch malarkey. >> and why is that so? >> not a single thing he said is accurate. >> reporter: the vice president and ryan clashed over the economy, taxes and medicare with the democrat often on the attack. >> and they're holding hostage the middle class tax cut. it's about time they take some responsibility. >> reporter: but ryan fired back. he slammed the obama administration's economic record. >> this is not what a real recovery looks like. we need real reforms for a real recovery and that's exactly what mitt romney and i are proposing. >> reporter: after several heated exchanges ryan insinuated that president obama's performance last week was motivating the vice president's >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to paining up for lost ground. >> reporter: as for who won, it depends on how you a
polls show the race is a dead heat after romney got a boost from his performance at the first match-up. the republican candidate will spend sunday practicing for round two. ines ferre for cbs news. >> and you can watch tuesday night's highly anticipated debate from cbs 5. coverage begins at 6:00. the second presidential debate will be conducted in a town hall format allowing people to ask questions about foreigner and domestic policy. >>> well closer to home, both republicans and democrats went door to door in berkeley talking to voters about an array of measures on the california ballot. cbs 5 reporter anne makovec shows us why both are deciding to use a more personal approach. >> reporter: this election is very very important. >> reporter: that's one point we can all agree on. the rest of it from propositions to the president not so much. that's why the california democratic party set up a day of action today going door to door to educate voters on the issues. >> when you go out there oh they say this is important. i really think it's effective. >> reporter: it's a strategy the re
to a better night's sleep ♪ "1 >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald. >>> now at 6:30, mitt romney has been slicing into president obama's lead in california ever since the first presidential debate. that's just one of the findings of our exclusive eyewitness news poll and there are dueling tax initiatives for education on the november ballot. one of them just tipped to the negative. cbs 5 political reporter grace lee with the numbers. >> reporter: allen, let's start with what propositions 30 and 38 have in common. they both raise billions of dollars for education through taxes but where that money goes is a source of contention between the two camps. and it is starting to get a little nasty in the tv ad war. >> let's see how two measures measure up. >> reporter: yes on proposition 38 takes on its competing initiative head on in a new campaign ad. >> prop 30 spends money here but lets the politicians take it out here. that's why sacramento is behind it. >> reporter: those who support prop 30 including governor brown are not happy about this new ad. >> they have gone absolutely nega
, a discussion of the world now with three gentlemen. >>> well, on tuesday, president obama and mitt romney will face off on the second of the three debates and the stakes are high with national polls showing that the race is essentially tied. joining me now is willie brown, former mayor and the chairman of the republican party who i think are the best handicappers in the state. do you buy the polls? >> no, i don't buy the polls. i never did when i served in public office. i had them for instructional purposes but not to decide. it could give me an idea on how to move things a little bit, but not win or lose. >> do you get a feeling in this campaign it's being poll driven? they are testing the positions and trying to deliver them now? >> look, campaigns do that all the time. i look at polls to see trends, if they move in a decided direction, i believe like we have now, i believe there is that direction. most of the polls prior to the last debate use the 2008 turnout model or democrats and republicans. i don't think the republican message being sent by romney and ryan attracts democrats as s
with the united states. i share this hope. but hope is not a strategy. polls show president obama still doing better than the challenger on national security and foreign policy. his campaign is already pushing back hard. this new ad mocks romney's july overseas trips and his response to the deadly attack on the embassy in libya. >> if this is how he handles the world now think what he might do as president. >> reporter: the president is at a star-studded fundraiser in hollywood last night, he made his first public comments about his debate performance. >> everybody here is incredible professionals. >> reporter: the president and mitt romney will face foreign policy questions in the next debate in eight days. cate caugiran, cbs 5. >> the president what is near bakersfield this afternoon for a dedication ceremony where cesar chavez's home is being made into a national monument. president obama is expected to arrive in the bay area in less than two hours and will go to two fundraisers in san francisco. antiwar protestors had greet him. >>> the president of alaska airlines is hoping for a partial
debate both men under pressure governor romney building momentum after the first presidential dough bait. >> 50% said biden won, 31% said ryan won and 19% called it a tie. also in that poll 55% said biden is someone they can relate to. 21 points higher than before the debate. ryan's relatability went up 17 points to 48% and 85% said biden is knowledgeable about the issues and 75% said the same thing about paul ryan. jan crawford is at the debate site in danville, kentucky. jan, good morning. >> good morning, norah. good morning charlie. good morning to those of you in the west. the president tried to explain that lackluster performance at the debate of being too polite. the vice president surely can't say that about his performance last night. he came out of the block, never stopped. to the point republicans are now saying he interrupted paul ryan 82 times. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of mularkey. >> the vice president appeared to take the president's advice. joe just needs to be joe. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here is the deal. >> biden's gi
republican challenger mitt romney appears to be making some progress. romney supporters chanted four more weeks for president obama during a rally in cuyahoga falls yesterday evening. no republican has ever won the presidency without winning ohio. the latest cnn poll shows the president's lead in the buckeye state has shrunk. now at 51 to 47%. >> i want you to go out there and find someone who voted for barack obama and get him to come join our team. >> we reinvented a dying auto industry that supports one in eight ohio jobs and has come roaring back to the top of the world. [ applause and cheers ] >> the president spoke at ohio state university yesterday. today, he is back at work at the white house. >>> time now 5:12. a warning for drivers. the potential risk for millions of toyotas out there. also ahead... >> i did everything they asked me to do so i didn't think it was going to be an issue. >> plus did they cross the line? what happened when tsa stopped a cancer patient? >> and an entangled sea lion at pier 39. why the rescue mission didn't quite go as planned, coming up. ♪ your ti
. is this -- what are the conservatives doing about this and this is mitt romney's move to the middle? >> they will grit their teeth and appreciate it as long as he's moving upwards in the polls. we don't know if he's going to get a bounce at all from the debate. we'll see in a couple of days. >> and this is -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> win, baby, win, baby. >> this is the new mitt romney and the win, baby, win. it's the al davis philosophy. just win, davis. >> no matter what, i believe he gets a bump, and i believe that bump will come from the crisp nature of his responses. he sounded like the common man. he did not sound like bain capital exploiting everyone who is part of a everyone in% for the 3%. he sounded like the guy from the streets. he sounded like the guy that i walked by almost every day working on the job on the same payroll. >> and he -- conservatives want him to go at obama and to express their anger with him and frustration with them. that is what he did. >> amazing. i never thought i would hear democrat willie brown say that. if i was mitt romney's people, i would g
. >>> on to the presidential race, mitt romney is back in the buckeye state today. romney supporters chanted, four more weeks for president obama during a rally in ohio last night. no republican has ever won the presidency without winning ohio. the latest cnn poll shows the president's lead in the buckeye state is only 51-47%. >> i want you to go out there and find someone who voted for barack obama and get them to come join our team. >> we reinvented a dying auto industry that supports one in eight ohio jobs and has come roaring back to the top of the world. >> the president spoke at ohio state university yesterday. today he is back at work at the white house. meanwhile, romney says he has no plans for abortion legislation if elected president. that's what he told the des moines register during an interview with the iowa newspapers editorial board. during the primary season he told an ohio tv station that he was in favor of a pro-life policy. >>> 4:40 now. today the u.s. supreme court is set to take on the issue of affirmative action at universities. the justices will hear arguments over a university of tex
and cheers ] >> president obama has had the edge in ohio for weeks. but romney's post-debate popularity bounce has put him back in the game. >>> in fact, a new cnn poll shows the battle for the buckeye state is tight. that poll gives the president just a 4-point edge there with a 3.5% margin of error. with 18 electoral votes, ohio could be a make-or-break prize come november. voters there have picked the winner in each of the last 12 presidential elections. and no republican has ever won the white house without it. >>> the presidential candidates answering our questions online on cbssf.com. they are tackling a different issue every day. today's topic, the role of government, big versus small. >>> the president may be long gone from the golden state but a former commander-in-chief spent the day stumping for him in california. at a rally at uc-davis, former president bill clinton said he wanted to provide a fact check that he says was missing from last week's presidential debate. mr. clinton said republicans failed at their number one goal of keeping unemployment above 8%. >> we don't nee
and restore the principles that made america so strong. >> romney calls for the u.s. to take a more assertive role in syria to put conditions on aid to egypt and tighten sanctions on iran. with a month to go before the election, national polls show the race for the white house is tightening. >>> there is a news conference in san francisco this morning to talk about penalties from the san bruno pipeline explosion. space assemblyman jerry hill and san bruno mayor jim rue an are upset about the state public utilities commission asking to suspend hearings over pg&e's penalties and pipeline upgrade costs for a month. >>> the san francisco board of supervisors will finally decide tomorrow if suspended sheriff ross mirkarimi will keep his job. the mayor charged him with official misconduct and demanded his removal after he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in connection to domestic abuse with his wife. we'll find that out tomorrow. >>> this morning a coalition of community groups in san jose plans to announce a boycott of the mi pueblo grocery change linked to the company's participation in the everif
that it takes to rebuild our principles and restore the principles that made america so strong. >> romney is calling for the united states to take a more assertive role in syria, put conditions on aid to egypt and tighten sanctions on iran. a month to go before election day, national polls showing the race at the white house is getting tighter. >>> california is the most expensive place for gas in the country and the governor is taking action to drive down the cost. cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran is in south san francisco right now where the average price, cate, of regular gas is well over 4.60 a gallon. >> reporter: that's right, michelle. actually it's the two stations nearby. one is at 4.79 a gallon the other across the street 4.99 for a gallon of regular. the governor is asking for the release of less expensive blends. the early release will bring up gas supplies 8 to 10%. experts say it could drop gas prices about 15 to 20 cents per gallon of regular but it could still take a week before we see any changes. according to the aaa, gas prices are at record highs in san francisco. we're lo
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